5 Reasons Why IndyCar Is About To Obliterate F1

"Margin Of Error" (marginoferror)
01/28/2015 at 14:15 • Filed to: FIVE REASONS

Welcome to Five Reasons , my new semi-occasional feature that analyze a situation and provide simple, down-to-earth explanations about why said situation is happening, or may happen.

IndyCar Racing was once a dominant form of Motorsport, but that was before most of us were born, then some bad things happen and suddenly Indycar became CART and IRL, two distinct half-baked series that struggled to make racing enthusiasts pull a boner. However, things are about to change, and here's why.

5. F1 Sucks

Drama queens, hybrid engines, pay drivers, boring tracks and penis noses. Do I need to say more ? Sure, IndyCar has no merit there, but the debacle of F1 can only help.

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4. Parity

F1 is trying hard to become a spec series, but it's also failing miserably at it. Indy is doing a much better job at making things exciting while having as many different engines as F1

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3. No pay drivers

Indy is keeping the costs low, I heard Indy's top team's budget is about 10% of an F1 team. No need for drivers like Paster Maldonaldo and that Japanese freak.

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3. True American values

While F1 is slowly selling its soul to some Sheiks dudes in the Middle East, Indy stays true to its core value. God and family.

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2. Accessibility

Fans like to meet their heroes, this is something F1 has not yet understood.

Them European prima donnas like to treat small people like like small people, and then they board their private jet and GTFO.

They just don't care. IndyCar drivers are not like that, and it's great for the sport.

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1. Indy 500

Monaco is great because of what's happening off the track, Monza is only fun when Ferrari wins and the Nurburgring poper has not been used in a decade. The Indy 500 however is not a race for sissies. There's drama, there's danger, there's awesomeness, a lot of it.

DISCUSSION (70)

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:23

Indy has all of it , huh? What about right turns?

Alex from Toronto > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:25

Indy Cars sound better too.

Margin Of Error > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
01/28/2015 at 14:26

They have a great variety of tracks. Street races, road races small ovals, super ovals and rectangular.

I wish they would bring back the Phoenix triangle.

thedevilinside > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:27

Kinja'd!!!

IndyCar has its fair share of "pay drivers". :-(, but I hope it does overtake F1

Margin Of Error > Alex from Toronto
01/28/2015 at 14:27

Yes, and it's a V6 Turbo, like in F1, minus that stupid hybrid shit.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:28

I could give a crap about most of that stuff. I want to see great racing in great locations on interesting tracks.

Margin Of Error > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR
01/28/2015 at 14:30

I think Indycar is getting there

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:33

Wait is this satire or just ignorance? I can't really tell.

KnowsAboutCars > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:34

Don't talk smack about Kobayashi!

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:34

the best part is that there are no prima donna drivers and Ecclestone the human troll.

EL_ULY > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:34

Kinja'd!!!

I really like both series. Only complaint in both series is that F1 is getting a bit on the dull side, especially in person (and after paying so much money lol) , but neither is perfect or better than the other.

Margin Of Error > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
01/28/2015 at 14:35

what ?

For Sweden > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:35

Kinja'd!!!

This is Danica Patrick's NASCAR firesuit.

For Sweden > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
01/28/2015 at 14:36

Most of the tracks have right turns.

Margin Of Error > For Sweden
01/28/2015 at 14:36

My efforts to find an Indy era picture were not successful. She did race in Indy for GoDaddy.

For Sweden > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:37

Reason 1b: Indycar will continue to race in liberal democracies while F1 will move towards only holding races in corrupt totalitarian nations.

Axel-Ripper > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:37

1b.) They just rehired the seemingly incredibly incompetent Brian Barnhart as race director.

Margin Of Error > For Sweden
01/28/2015 at 14:37

Very true.

Bad Idea Hat > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:38

Kinja'd!!!

Margin Of Error > Bad Idea Hat
01/28/2015 at 14:38

LOL !

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:39

Exactly

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:40

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Forgetful > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 14:41

Ha thanks for the laugh.

Sure those are wonderful reasons why you currently prefer Indy, but I don't see any of that pushing f1 out of the way.

Indy has never been the dominant form of open wheel racing either. It's been bigger than it is now but never bigger than f1.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > For Sweden
01/28/2015 at 14:46

He was originally stating that the 500 has all of it.

Margin Of Error > Forgetful
01/28/2015 at 14:49

Arton Senna almost drove for Penske.

djmt1 > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 15:02

Fair reasoning (apart from boring tracks, that is bollocks of the highest order) but irrelevant from my point of view since the thing that actually counts that being the racing itself is more entertaining in F1 than Indy for me.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 15:08

Indy has never had any primadonnas? Haha. Japanese freak, Kamui? He isn't a bad driver, you seem really nice. Don't say that about Kamui. He was in the top ten in the Ferrari GT cars at Le Mans, 7th I think, how about you?

Pastor is an idiot.

So no Indy drivers have a jet or ever have?? Only some long standing F1 drivers have had a jet and that has a lot to do with investing and advertising deals.

True American values....god and family? I'm American and I want nothing to do with ignorant people, god seriously? What does that crap have to do with my race car? Why are you bringing this up, I didn't. Where is the fun seeing the same spec cars, I want to see the engineers try to screw each other. F1 will never be a spec series, almost everyone in F1 is fighting that, thats ridiculous, people who say these things about F1 don't seem to know much about it. They said no to customer cars. Sure there are some problems because things didn't turn out as well as they had hoped, but its pretty much impossible to guess how racing will be when you change something, its a bit of a science experiment. They are very seriously considering going back to bigger tires to make it more like the past turbo years, Pirelli said they could do it. They are fighting to go the opposite way actually, expect changes for 2016 if they can resolve anything.

My friends and I have met F1 drivers, you can do it in several ways if you go to a GP actually, it is easier at some circuits, go to Monaco and you will have trouble. You must not be very old because some drivers have done Indy and F1.

Just watch Indy and don't post rants with religious statements thrown in there. Religion is like a dick, you can have one but don't pull it out in public (don't write laws with it etc...)

Textured Soy Protein > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 15:50

3. True American values

While F1 is slowly selling its soul to some Sheiks dudes in the Middle East, Indy stays true to its core value. God and family.

Wait, what does "God and family" have to do with Indycar racing?

factsaboutrats > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR
01/28/2015 at 16:49

I can't wait for the GP of Louisiana!!!

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 17:25

Indy most definitely has Spec cars, with manufacturer "Aero Kits" and they sure as hell have pay drivers. Not to mention that it's losing fans as well and growth has been stunted by stupidity in the front office during the Tony George years.
#BringBackCART

Forgetful > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 17:39

That was most likely a Marlboro organized publicity stunt or a way for Ayrton to gain leverage in contract negotiations

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/did-senna-real…

IndyFan > Margin Of Error
01/28/2015 at 20:00

"No need for drivers like Paster Maldonaldo and that Japanese freak." Were you born an asshole, or did you have to work at it? If you were referring to who I think you were, he has no personal sponsorship to bring. And Maldonado's name is Pastor (with an "o").

You're also showing a great deal of ignorance in your article. First off, IndyCar has had at least a few pay drivers for every one of the last 25-30 years; ask Dale Coyne or Bryan Herta about IndyCar "keeping the costs low". If the cost of fielding a car was truly low, 33 cars at Indy would be given. And while F1 has made the poor decision to add races in the Middle East (where no locals, barring attention-seeking oil sheiks, are in attendance), IndyCar/Mark Miles have been trying to add a race in Dubai for a couple of years. Ask Robin Miller if you don't believe it.

I follow both championships all season long. Despite both sanctioning bodies cutting off their respective noses to spite their own faces in one manner or another, I love both. The world of F1 certainly has it's issues, but don't assume IndyCar's future is rosy. I'm as much a fan of IndyCar as you, however I'm not so far removed from reality that I would buy the notion that they will soon "obliterate F1". Maximum likelihood: .001%. F1 is huge, and will remain so for many more years, save for the greenies who'd love to rain on the petrol-heads' parade.

Converse > Margin Of Error
01/29/2015 at 19:49

IndyCar is full of pay drivers. I would venture to say there are as many or more pay drivers in IndyCar (especially the Indy 500) than in F1.

For the record, I define pay driver as a driver that brings most of the budget to compete for the car.

pauly > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
01/29/2015 at 23:16

No accounting for ignorance, is there!

DConsorti > Forgetful
01/30/2015 at 08:50

not so much as a publicity stunt!

The history is that Senna was displeased with the car Mclaren gave him in 93 and since he did not signed Willians yet, he was really trying the indy car. If the willians deal did not go through, Emerson Fittipaldi had already preprepared a contract with Penske for him.

Now, changing topics, I love both categories, but F1 have the glamour that Indy will never have. Although I agree that F1 have a cancer that have a name and surname, the aura that F1 have is something that will (hopefully) never go away.

And I give you some other factors: Spa Francorchamps, Interlagos, Suzuka, Silverstone (although they mutilated it).

For me, is easier for WEC to surpass F1 in being the most advanced and most popular category than Indy

samssun > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 09:18

If I wanted to cheerlead for some guy I've never met while watching dozens of identical cars, I'd watch NASCAR. Or F3000. Or Spec Miata. Or MLB. There are plenty of spec series, and they're entertaining to people who like personalities, but as an engineer and car fan I couldn't care less.

It's about the cars, and a thousand rules crushing any innovation means we'll never see another 917. Get rid of that crap, give them a fuel limit to use however they see fit, and let F1 again be as much about design and bleeding edge performance developments as whose Twitter posts you like best.

eroc8 > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 10:52

"Them European prima donnas like to treat small people like like small people, and then they board their private jet and GTFO."

True American Values?

Spoken like a hillbilly. No wonder you trash F1...

Don't forget who won the 1978 Formula One Championship...

minardi > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 11:10

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That says a lot.

DjDanG > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 11:11

Yes...but F1 tracks are built FOR the series....its not as fun watching Indy cars bounce all around on street circuits.

Who wants to see an open wheel car go in circles for 300 laps = BORING.

Does Indy have a SPA? NO

Monza? NO

Silverstone? NO

Lets just stop at that.

As far as engines they are the same v6 turbos...F1 just has the technology that transfers to the cars we drive everyday.

What technology from an Indy car have we seen in our everyday cars?

KnotThatBusy > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
01/30/2015 at 11:18

Yep, they do have the Indy road race now..

Breakfast Burrito: The True Resident Burrito > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 11:25

This is awkward... http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/tag/5-reasons-…

Kinja'd!!!

R5ran > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 11:32

I love and follow both sports, and I pretty much agree with all of the above. I don't like the new F1 either, but I still prefer it over the current Indycar races.

I think the author is missing out on 3 important items that keeps Indycar from being more successful.

1- The Mickey Mouse tracks, especially some of these makeshift street courses. Most are too narrow for passing, (Yes, I hate Monaco for the same reason), have unbelievably rough sections (remember the railroad track jumps?), and unneeded makeshift chicanes (Australia?) that would be more appropriate for my race kart.

2- The numerous full course yellow flags. I dread every incident in Indy, cause it always brings out a full course caution, no matter how minor. Too many Indy races are ruined cause so much of the race is under caution.....especially the street courses. They need to adopt some type of over the wall crane system like F1 and have only portions of the track slowed for any minor accident. (Don't beat me up about the Jules Bianchi incident, that was a freak case scenario). Car starters would be helpful, too. I know they were trying this a few years back, but never continued with it.

3- Standing starts should be at all race tracks, even ovals. I think everyone agrees, the F1 standing starts are the best, versus some of the totally messed up rolling starts in Indy. I know they have tried this in the past, with mixed results, but with a little time and practice, it would work and become business as usual for the drivers and teams, just like F1.

Pacorro > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 11:44

Kinja'd!!!

Actually waiting to see how "Chrastor" thrases his car every race is part of the fun in F1

Pacorro > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 11:46

Kinja'd!!!

Actually is pretty fun seeing how Maldonado thrases his car every race.

PG > R5ran
01/30/2015 at 12:09

Is the guys who wrote this article serious? Indycar is a joke compared to F1. The cars look like bumper cars in an amusement park, and have about the same level of technology as they do compared to an F1 car. There isn't an Indycar driver who could qualify within 107% of the pole sitter in an F1 race. Have you watched the level of skill demonstrated at any street race lately? They cant go 7 laps without hitting each other. And two races per weekend? Please, its like watching an SCCA regional.

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 12:17

I think Indy will replace f1 as the top open wheeled series, but they have to go international. At least have COTA.

I think LMP will replace F1 in the innovation and "cool" field.

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > PG
01/30/2015 at 12:19

Um... But F1 Is boring as hell.

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > DjDanG
01/30/2015 at 12:20

Yes, but they have street circuits because they keep costs down.

bdTill > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 12:21

bdTill > Alex from Toronto
01/30/2015 at 12:23

Hahaha from your 1995 TV in your parent basement? You ever been in the pits of both?

bdTill > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 12:24

This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?This has to be one of the worst arguments/articles on the internet. How did this even get on yahoo. You do not understand F1 that is why you think Indy is better. Good opinion though, you made valid points, especially stating with F1 sucks. I love how you dis the hybrid engine, you do know the technology is so much more advanced than Indy, right?

DDD > Forgetful
01/30/2015 at 12:31

To show you what cultural change and 24 hour sports programming has done, let me offer an illustration from the distant past. When I traveling in high school with my parents (early to mid-60's), from California to Connecticut there was one question that was always asked when they found out we were from Indiana.: "have you ever been to the Indy 500?" It was very easily the most iconic and revered sporting event on the planet. Not anymore.....

saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 12:49

Was this a troll?

@tifosi35216 > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 12:59

Parity? In Indy, it has been a lot of no names and F1 drivers that have been put out to pasture and occasionally throw in a woman who never wins anything. No prima donna's?! Please share whatever it is that you've been smoking. Those two little girls, Danica and Montoya ring a bell? Seriously, the Indy 500 hasn't been relevant in 25 years. I used to love Indy racing, but now I couldn't even tell you when their season starts or what channel it is on. Additionally, while F1 currently does suck, they have always had the ability to change and adapt. I don't think Indy has ever recovered from the split.

Tripper > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 13:08

I don't see Indy "obliterating" F1, but I do agree with most of the points that you mentioned. I hated 90% of the 2014 season, including the cars. However I think the amount of money involved with F1 corrupt as it may be, is fascinating. Stupid but fascinating, and I'm mainly referring to the development of the cars themselves. I have been to an Indy race (grand prix of Baltimore), and an F1 race (COTA 2013). The Indy race was cool, but F1 was something I will never forget, the sound at close range makes your insides shake. Obviously that's not the case with the new cars but I bet that will change.

Voda > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
01/30/2015 at 13:56

It's clearly a bit of both. I hope.

cornerslide > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 14:01

One of the biggest problems in my opinion is the F1 is the cars. They come up with the new engine which delivers torque in a much different way than the previous cars. It is more immediate than past designs. While this is not necessarily a bad thing they changed the rules so that the rear spoiler had to be smaller. They took away the difusers as well. This is a bad combination. With that much power getting to the rear wheels combined with a reduction in down force it actually made the lap times slower at many tracks. Some seemed to figure out how make this work as the season went on some didn't. Obviously Mercedes figured it out a lot sooner.

1965 > Forgetful
01/30/2015 at 14:21

Back in 1968 no less than Bruce McClaren stated that as a company he would have to contest a CanAm race over a Formula 1 race simply for the added prize monies. The Indy 500 offered the most money and prestige of any championship. Beginning in 1963 European drivers and manufacturers took Indy very seriously simply because along with LeMans it was the most recognizable name in motorsport.

Forgetful > DDD
01/30/2015 at 14:25

60s, most iconic sporting event? World Cup, Pele. Boston Celtics 9 of 10 championships. Muhammad Ali. The Green Bay Packers win the first two Superbowls. Hill, Surtees, Clark, Brabham and McLaren, f1 was in its golden age.

You're just displaying a regional and preferred sport bias. Not saying the Indy 500 wasn't extremely popular, but I don't think it was the single most important sporting event in the world., or even just in racing.

Audi-os, Amigos! > EL_ULY
01/30/2015 at 14:44

Thank you. I watched F1 for the first time this season, and while I still enjoyed it because it's so cool, goddamn is it fucking boring.

chuy > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 14:45

dude, youre an idiot.

5. F1 sucks. really? cars on the absolute bleeding edge of automotive technology are lame? as opposed to indy shitboxes that aren't even as fast as F3? answer me this... how well does an indycar stack up to a F1 car, performance-wise? hmm? granted, penis noses are dumb (but only marginally dumber than those stupid 'fenders' on the back of an alleged open wheel car), ecclestone is a troll (and the big reason behind a lot of F1's stupid stuff), but the drama and pageantry of F1 is what makes it cool. as far as pay drivers go, at least they can still manage to run most of the race without crashing. indy car clowns can barely manage 3 laps without smashing into each other. the kids running GP2 handle themselves with more restraint and skill than most indycar drivers. and im not even going to talk about what a joke milka duno was..

4. parity. ok, for starters, F1 has NEVER been a spec series, nor have they ever wanted it to be. proof? NO CUSTOMER CARS! every team must design and manufacture their own car. and last time I checked, there are MORE engine suppliers in F1 than indy. even though there are 11 manufacturers, running 3 different engines (4 with the addition of Honda), the top 10 cars are usually within a second of each other (yes, last year was a bit of an exception, but Mercedes aside, everyone else was very close).

3. American values? god and country? that's what makes for good racing? this is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read. a multi-cultural, multi-national series isn't as cool as 'murica I guess. go buy some budlight at walmart. ignorance like this is why the rest of the planet thinks we're all stupid assholes.

2. accessibility. what can I say, you got me on this one.

1. the indy 500 is awesome. or at least it used to be. if its so awesome, why is none of the lead-up stuff televised anymore? why are indycars tv ratings in the gutter? F1 televises its practice, qualifying, and race, but I can barely find indy on tv. why is half the field literally PAYING to drive a car that another driver already qualified? didn't you just make fun of F1 for being dramatic, but its ok for indy to be? its anything but awesome. with these spec cars, its a parade. that turns left. over and over. for 3 hours.

indycar is a joke. the caliber of drivers is nowhere near F1. the cars are a joke. even the racing venues are a joke. our TOP TIER open wheel road racing takes place on temporary circuits in stadium parking lots. which makes zero sense to me when we have tons of beautiful road courses here.. places like road America, Watkins glen (which incidentally used to host an F1 race back in the day), Sonoma, and laguna seca. which is good enough to host the prestigious motogp, but not good enough for indy.

but my biggest argument against indy is this- if indy is SO good, and the drivers are SO spectacular, then why isn't there a steady stream of American drivers headed to F1? wouldnt all the european teams want the best, most qualified drivers? on the flipside, if F1 guys are so good, why isn't there a steady stream coming to indy? answer-because there are still like 6 form of way more prestigious racing before you sink down to indycar level. le mans and DTM come to mind...

Margin Of Error > chuy
01/30/2015 at 15:12

You may not agree with my analysis, and I can respect that, but being rude is another ball game in which I will not partake.

Apex Assassin > Margin Of Error
01/30/2015 at 15:30

Most dellusional post on here to date.

Voda > Margin Of Error
01/31/2015 at 08:16

Margin, you were pretty rude up there. Rude in the way you can be if you think no one you're being rude to will ever read it. That's a worse kinda rude than Chuy. At least he's talking directly To You.

That's hardly the point though, right? He was 100% correct, You on the other hand were 100% not correct and as much as I hate to admit it, I too see you as the overweight, balding at the front, but curly at the back, moustach and no beard, Bud swilling, stained NASCAR t-shirt wearing Average American. Have a great day; Miss you already.

And it's not rude if it's true.

MC20 > R5ran
02/11/2015 at 18:08

You have to realize that this is an American series, and no matter what series you are operating if you're on ovals, you have to parody NASCAR. The cool thing about Indycar is that they can pick and chose who they parody, and in what capacity.

I for one think that standing starts on an oval would be retarded.

I wish it was 50% ovals 25% street and 25% purpose built course.

When it was IRL some of their best tracks with the closest finishes were Michigan/ Chicagoland/ and 1.5 cookie cutters most notably Texas, only one of those tracks remains.

They wont go back to Vegas anytime soon, I cant Imagine an Indycar race at Atlanta

On top of that you run into certain issues, you cant run a race at Charlotte, thats NASCAR country. So they can only really race at Texas (as far as 1.5 milers go)

You cant run a race at MIS because in the span of 2 weekends youve ran the 500 and the race at Belle Isle within 4 hours of each other, Mid Ohio isnt far away either.

Chicagoland follows the same logic.

I just dont think the US is a good market for building street courses in. Plus the more "inner city" you get the less people care about racing.

Another problem that remains is Americans want to watch Americans win races in America. With the series more like F1 you seem to get the has beens and never weres from F1, how many Americans are on that list.

Love it or hate it NASCAR has always had thier development program figured out, back in the day Dick Trickle Mark Martin and Rusty Wallace were household names before ever starting a race at Daytona

Now they have kids, grandkids and youngins who are well known just for the mere fact that theyre development drivers for top teams.

If they want drivers who bring fans with them they need to return to an oval dominant schedule and go after the USAC/ World of Outlaw drivers theyve lost to NASCAR, and get thier fans on board too. AKA BRYAN CLAUSEN!!

Also with that you get more top drivers crossing over for the occasional race. Think Tony Stewart/ Kurt Busch, maybe Jeff Gordon could be swayed into a ride at Indy. How many more people would show up at a race just to watch them?

I do like alot about Indycar currently the ticket prices for the 500 last year were 25% of waht I payed for last years Daytona 500, the race was 4x better as well. Driver accessibility is awesome aswell, I wish there was a little more innovation but spec racing has its merits aswell.

Anyways Im curious as to what someone else would think?

Olderfan > Margin Of Error
08/20/2015 at 17:27

Just came across this site in a Google search for another indycar site.

I must say that I’m impressed. I didn’t think it was possible that someone could be dumber and more “ out to lunch” when it comes to defending Indycar than John T Howard, the self proclaimed “Disciple of IndyCar” but bravo! You’ve done it.

No pay drivers? Indycar stays true to its values? ( you mean all ovals, no engine leases, American drivers, and did I mention all ovals? ) Uh, ok. Whatever you say.

As many engines as F1? Let’s see: Indycar-Chevy and Honda. That’s 2. F1? Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari, Honda. That’s 4. Yep , same as Indy.

IndyCar team budgets are 10% of F1s? Who knows for sure. But was we DO know is that WHATEVER THE BUDGET IS virtually no teams in Indycar can even raise that amount.

Thanks for the laughs, moron.

Daveevad > Margin Of Error
04/11/2017 at 02:22

Indy went to shit as soon as it became open wheel NASCAR!! Back in the day it was all about experimenting and everyone wondered what will happen during the season. Now, it’s all spec bullshit and there isn’t anything special to take interest in. One car is the same as the next, who cares who wins other than the team themselves and ignorant sheeple who believe it’s still racing. I’m glad I had the opportunity to see races back in the day before it went to shit. I recommend anyone who believes Indy is still considered racing to find some of the old footage before it went to shit and really see what the excitement was about and why so many old fans simply don’t give a shit anymore and laugh when people still call it racing.

Daveevad > chuy
04/11/2017 at 02:33

I went to an F1 race one time and couldn’t stand it. The practice was far more interesting than the actual race. During the race they all just played follow the leader the entire time. I don’t even recall the number of passes that actually occurred, but it was very few. All the cars are so fast they can’t even use all the power on a lot of race courses. The drivers are constantly maxed out on the possible speed they can go due to the course itself. So, even though they have some power in reserve, unless a driver really screws up, it’s damn near impossible to pass, there isn’t any room for any more speed in order to make a pass. So they just follow each other around and around the course doing nothing special until a driver screws up or the car gives out. It was boring as it gets.